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Switzerland, june 2009

Postby Grégoire Meier » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:16 am

Three days of herping in Swiss french with a friend:

Lacerta vivipara
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Salamandra atra, female
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Bufo bufo, female
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Coronella austriaca
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Vipera berus, female
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Vipera berus, female
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Vipera aspis atra, male.
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Vipera aspis atra, male
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Vipera aspis atra, male
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Vipera aspis atra, female gravid
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Vipera aspis atra, female
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Vipera aspis atra, male
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Re: Switzerland, june 2009

Postby Mario Schweiger » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:25 am

Thanks for this very nice collection of french Switzerland herps!
I love the red/black Bufo bufo. Although a very common species, this coloration is quite uncommon - at least here in Austria.
Also the striped - in the anterior part of the body - Vipera aspis "atra" is very nice.

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Re: Switzerland, june 2009

Postby Ilian Velikov » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:18 am

Wow,great photos! Thanks a lot for sharing! :D I've seen many people posting melanistic V.berus....Are they relatively common and are genes the only reason for that colouration? I mean are there any other factors (such as habitat,etc.) that have something to do with the black color?
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Re: Switzerland, june 2009

Postby Mario Schweiger » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:32 am

I know many populations here in Austria of Vipera berus.
But I didn´t find any correlation of habitat, altitude or something else to the coloration.
In fact, in the highest situated populations I know, there are no black specimens. On the other hand, I know populations, more than 50% of the individuals are black between 800 and about 1000 meters altitude.
In a population - lowland, bog; 460 meters altitude - close to my house, 80% of Vipers (all females) are black.

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Re: Switzerland, june 2009

Postby Ilian Velikov » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:49 am

Interesting! So,you think that might have something to do with alttitude?
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Re: Switzerland, june 2009

Postby Mario Schweiger » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:34 pm

No!

I think it depends on the genepool only!

Temperatures are dropping by 1°C each 100 meters altitude.
So, if there is a temperature of 30°C in 500 meters, in 1´500 meters altitude the temperature will be about 20°C.
In many papers and books it is written, Vipera berus will be black in the mountains, to get more insolation and reach their prefered body temperature quicker than grey/brown ones.
But as written, in my known uppermost populations there are no black berus.

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Re: Switzerland, june 2009

Postby Ilian Velikov » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:56 pm

I understand !Sounds logic to me that it's the genepool!...But how do you think that genes were spread all over Europe from the place where they have originated (they must have started from somewhere)?
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Re: Switzerland, june 2009

Postby Mario Schweiger » Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:07 pm

Hard to say, and I just have this idea.

The genes for black coloration are originally in all berus populations.
In some, these genes got lost (bottleneck effect).
That´s the only explanation I have.
As far as I know, there is no publication on this topic.

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Re: Switzerland, june 2009

Postby Francesco Tri » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:05 pm

Hello Greg,
specimen in the eleven pic is fantastic!!! :lol:
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Re: Switzerland, june 2009

Postby Vlad Cioflec » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:25 am

Great post!

The 7th pic with that black adder made my day. :) Is it `in situ` ? Sure looks like it to me.
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